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they still think people like even john boehner are too moderate. even though boehner is putting forward essentially the mitt romney economic plan as his supposed compromise with the president. that's not far right enough for a big chunk of the republican base. >> maria, let me play for you something one of the outcast congressmen tossed by speaker boehner said today. listen to this. >> it's not about principles. it's about blind obedience. dissent will not be tolerated, particularly conservative dissent. >> he was upset throughout that forum today. is conservative blogger eric ericsson, he writes this. conservatives must seek retribution or become the paper tiger. maria, what will the retribution look like? >> i think we're all a little scared of that. >> i am. >> right. but i think that let's be honest, i think what joy is saying is absolutely right. unless the republican party figures out a way to coalesce, they're only going to be basically a strong party in midterm elections. there's no way they are going to actually -- they actually reflect th
they still think people like even john boehner are too moderate. even though boehner is putting forward essentially the mitt romney economic plan as his supposed compromise with the president. that's not far right enough for a big chunk of the republican base. >> maria, let me play for you something one of the outcast congressmen tossed by speaker boehner said today. listen to this. >> it's not about principles. it's about blind obedience. dissent will not be tolerated, particularly...
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is this john boehner's caucus? is it eric cantor's caucus? negotiating with john boehner when he doesn't control things is not tenable for the white house, not tenable for john boehner. >> well, i guess in the beltway here where i am tonight and the micro, it's cantor or boehner, but the bigger picture, if the president succeeds in terming the country around on this whole obsession with protecting the rich and protecting no tax cuts, that's a big moment. possible transformative moment in where we are in american politics. krystal ball and richard wolffe, thanks for your time this evening. >> thank you, reverend. >> be sure to catch krystal on "the cycle" weekdays at 3 p.m. right here on msnbc. >>> ahead, he tried to get attention with a disasterous soup kitchen op, and now he wants to rebrand himself as someone who cares about the poor. we reveal paul ryan's makeover plans. and more on the box republicans are in and president obama's power play. senator barbara boxer of california joins me on that. >>> plus, it's the gop's worst nightmare com
is this john boehner's caucus? is it eric cantor's caucus? negotiating with john boehner when he doesn't control things is not tenable for the white house, not tenable for john boehner. >> well, i guess in the beltway here where i am tonight and the micro, it's cantor or boehner, but the bigger picture, if the president succeeds in terming the country around on this whole obsession with protecting the rich and protecting no tax cuts, that's a big moment. possible transformative moment in...
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let's talk about some of john boehner's plan, though. john boehner is not moving off of rates. he's stilling talking about loophole closures. do you believe you can accomplish what needs to be done on the revenue side and let's step plate democrats have to be more specific about us entitlement side. can you accomplish what you need on the revenue side just by flattening deductions and closing loop snoels. >> it depends on where you set the cap, but i think what's happening here is that the speaker has put on the table revenues, very specific number, $800 billion, a big number compared to where he was before. the president has said $1.6 trillion. well, i think the obvious agreement here is 1.2. split the difference. how you get that extra 400 is an issue. there are a lot of ways to do it. revenues is not a complicated part of this situation. what is really more complex is the issue of how you get the entitlements controlled because there's really been no substantive ideas put forward on that get to the numbers that you really need to get to. now, what interestingly enough what t
let's talk about some of john boehner's plan, though. john boehner is not moving off of rates. he's stilling talking about loophole closures. do you believe you can accomplish what needs to be done on the revenue side and let's step plate democrats have to be more specific about us entitlement side. can you accomplish what you need on the revenue side just by flattening deductions and closing loop snoels. >> it depends on where you set the cap, but i think what's happening here is that...
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. >> stephanie: let me borrow a term from john boehner, i am flabbergasted by the budget which they put forward, which is basically paul ryan's budget right? >> more or less. i mean it's basically a repeat. they come up with revenues but they won't touch tax rates, and they don't really say how they get the revenues. they would get it from what they call loopholes, deductions. they don't specify where it would come from, so really it's a combination of the ryan budget, and what romney -- governor romney began to say toward the end of the election when he was worried a they were being tabbed as the party of the very wealthy, so he said well, we won't lower taxes on the very wealthy, because we'll get ahold of loop holds and deductions but they never said what they were and they continue to evade. but mainly they evade the basic question, are we going to keep the high income tax breaks or are we not? and if they insist on keeping them, they are going to take themselves and the country over the cliff. >> stephanie: uh-huh. this is -- we have been saying -- i don't think this is fooling any
. >> stephanie: let me borrow a term from john boehner, i am flabbergasted by the budget which they put forward, which is basically paul ryan's budget right? >> more or less. i mean it's basically a repeat. they come up with revenues but they won't touch tax rates, and they don't really say how they get the revenues. they would get it from what they call loopholes, deductions. they don't specify where it would come from, so really it's a combination of the ryan budget, and what...
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just like that, a proposal that john boehner puts out. he's trying to say that it is from the bowles proposal but erskine bowles came out yesterday and said flat out that the proposal the republicans put out does not mimic his. therefore, the republicans are lying again. republicans and the tea party people, they know that they are lying. it is just that simple. the president put out a proposal. ok. don't criticize the president for the proposal. show us a real proposal. do not ask us to trust you. host: reporting in "the new york times." republicans say their counteroffer is close to the numbers supported last year by erskine bowles. he said last week his numbers offered testimony to a special bipartisan congressional committee on a visit reduction were not so much a plan as a back of the envelopes addressed and to show a deal could be struck somewhere between mr. obama's position in the speaker during their talks last year. next caller, colorado, independent line. caller: i think's he's been as a great way for people to have their voice
just like that, a proposal that john boehner puts out. he's trying to say that it is from the bowles proposal but erskine bowles came out yesterday and said flat out that the proposal the republicans put out does not mimic his. therefore, the republicans are lying again. republicans and the tea party people, they know that they are lying. it is just that simple. the president put out a proposal. ok. don't criticize the president for the proposal. show us a real proposal. do not ask us to trust...
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john boehner total total joke. i think the president -- i mean should just reject this thing out of hand and say we would rather have -- okay, here's my vote. do you agree? 1-866-55-press. my vote is no deal. no deal rather than a bad deal. no deal rather than give the wealthiest 2% another tax cut. john boehner no deal! >> i'm flabbergasted. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." "talking points" that the right have about "the heavy hand of government". i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really. really! that you're gonna lay people off because now the government's going to help you fund your health care. really? i wanna be able to have those conversations. not just to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying. and you know, i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. [ boy 1 ] hey! that's the last crescent. oh, did you want it? yea we'll split it. [ female announcer ] made fresh, so light buttery
john boehner total total joke. i think the president -- i mean should just reject this thing out of hand and say we would rather have -- okay, here's my vote. do you agree? 1-866-55-press. my vote is no deal. no deal rather than a bad deal. no deal rather than give the wealthiest 2% another tax cut. john boehner no deal! >> i'm flabbergasted. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." "talking points" that the right have about "the heavy hand of...
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house speaker john boehner sent a proposal to the white house yesterday, counterbid as it is being called. what do you think? >> guest: i think it is a great opening start. actually it makes very tangible with the speaker committed to after the election which is we are going to put it on the table so that question is settled and we are not talking about how much and what way, but that is an enormous step forward honestly by the republicans or concessions. not something we want to do but something we recognize we have to do to get there. so i think the speaker's proposal directs us to words what some of the problems are which are entitlement spending. that is what is driving the debt and we can't pussyfoot around it. we can't solve it with just revenue, you have to have reform. while we like the ryan budget and i think i would be the appropriate way to go, they picked up elements of some of the proposals of ernst and bowles and as senator simpson made in an effort to reach awards. so i think the speaker needs to get a lot of credit for effort and opening position on what will hopefully be
house speaker john boehner sent a proposal to the white house yesterday, counterbid as it is being called. what do you think? >> guest: i think it is a great opening start. actually it makes very tangible with the speaker committed to after the election which is we are going to put it on the table so that question is settled and we are not talking about how much and what way, but that is an enormous step forward honestly by the republicans or concessions. not something we want to do but...
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ladies and gentlemen, the honorable john boehner. [applause] >> well, steve, let me just say thanks to you and your team and the architect's office and the grounds crew have done a great job inputting this together. and let me thank the colorado delegation for being here. i would take credit for the weather. [laughter] >> but i thought the senators would do it before i did. [laughter] >> lindsay, great job and i'm glad we have nice weather so you could wear that pretty dress without having to put a big overcoat on it. let me say thank you to all of you here tonight. this great spruce has traveled many miles. thanks to ben and his partner who brought the tree from colorado here. it's christmastime and it's the splend oror of this tree calls to mind the star of bethlehem and the chance of the angels announcing a humble birth in a manger. the birth of christ fulfilled the prophecy of salvation and giving a weary world a chance to rejoyce and we will bring light to the tree that flour issues as a symbol of everlasting life. this tree wil
ladies and gentlemen, the honorable john boehner. [applause] >> well, steve, let me just say thanks to you and your team and the architect's office and the grounds crew have done a great job inputting this together. and let me thank the colorado delegation for being here. i would take credit for the weather. [laughter] >> but i thought the senators would do it before i did. [laughter] >> lindsay, great job and i'm glad we have nice weather so you could wear that pretty dress...
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i want today explain to john boehner that bush put us on like a black friday sale for the country, and now the sale is over, so we have to go back or we'll go out of business. little complaint i saw your pictures on facebook and they are really sexy and i always thought of you as like a big sister, and now i have this creepy feeling. [ laughter ] >> caller: the hate letters you get are really lame. i think we should have a competition that we have the best hate her to you. >> stephanie: okay. >> caller: we have to have misspellings -- >> stephanie: no punctuation, no grammar, made up words like pigbitch. >> caller: exactly. >> stephanie: all right. thank you, honey. >> you must see stars and little birdies flying around your head. >> stephanie: yes. tim geithner. >> i can't promise that. that is a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if we can't afford the reality, then we have a basis for an agreement that would be very good for the american people. >> stephanie: not a good sign that boner just put through the warmed up paul
i want today explain to john boehner that bush put us on like a black friday sale for the country, and now the sale is over, so we have to go back or we'll go out of business. little complaint i saw your pictures on facebook and they are really sexy and i always thought of you as like a big sister, and now i have this creepy feeling. [ laughter ] >> caller: the hate letters you get are really lame. i think we should have a competition that we have the best hate her to you. >>...
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john boehner still has one to bestow. the man who currently holds the house ethics committee chair is bonner. he said he doesn't want the job this time. but again, how is it going to be a woman? there are no republican women on that committee. so who knows. there have been no republican women on that committee in years. this one might even be more awkward than the last one that john boehner had to go through gyrations to fix. good luck on that, mr. speaker. honestly, the problem that republicans have in trying to appear diverse in their leadership is that they just don't have a deep pool of republican-elected women to choose from. there aren't that many. here's what just happened to make that worse. republicans already had like no women in congress. before this last election out of 241 members of congress, only 24 republicans were women. 24 republicans heading into the last election. after this election, they went down. they went from 24 down to 20. a net loss of four. today that net loss of four became a net loss of five
john boehner still has one to bestow. the man who currently holds the house ethics committee chair is bonner. he said he doesn't want the job this time. but again, how is it going to be a woman? there are no republican women on that committee. so who knows. there have been no republican women on that committee in years. this one might even be more awkward than the last one that john boehner had to go through gyrations to fix. good luck on that, mr. speaker. honestly, the problem that...
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your web paper says that conservative groups rebel against john boehner. i believe it was just the last battle over the bush tax cuts, the headline was trying to herd cats referring to speaker boehner trying to get his party in line over the battle here. how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just his own caucus or conference, he wouldn't be able to get it done. to the vote in the house, i think for every -- i think there's more tom coles there than we know that won't speak up. >> why won't they speak up? are they waiting to see the next round of back and forth? >> well, that could be part of it, but also, they're a little bit concerned about what their constituents are going to say. they don't want their e-mail box bombarded by the heritage foundation. now you see two extreme views. i think you'll end up at the trillion dollar mark, and i think that speaker boehner
your web paper says that conservative groups rebel against john boehner. i believe it was just the last battle over the bush tax cuts, the headline was trying to herd cats referring to speaker boehner trying to get his party in line over the battle here. how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just...
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let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to have to do something big, i think, to get this done. he's not -- he's more power and sway than a lot of people including i thought he would have coming out of the election. issues like entitlement reform and new revenue, but he's going to have to do something big. there's been a four-year course of he doesn't get along with either party, doesn't make the kind of effort you're talking about. i don't think there's any doubt he's going to, particularly john boehner, find some human interconnection moment that says we're doing this. and that's when the tough part starts. because once there's a
let me underline again. >> yeah. >> john boehner's counter offer was pathetic. even the tea party groups are saying the counter offer was pathetic. this republican party in the house better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from now. i want to see, at least, if you're not going to offer new revenue, you better offer a lot of cuts and they're doing neither. so you've got to blame both sides, but there's only one president. >> the president's going to...
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this was the damage that john boehner hung over the white house last year. the white house said we're going to put this all in one and boehner said you have to pay me a special price. it would be insane not to come to a resolution on this issue once and for all. >> it's really the only card that he hold. obama has the advantage of letting--going over the cliff and letting it all expire so he starts to get the revenue that he wants. what does boehner have to negotiate? j. >> cenk: this is dr. strangelove territory. this is peter sellers pushing the button. you do this, and you destroy yourself. it's an insane negotiating ploy. it's hard to think that he could push that button. he used it last year and there was a consensus that politically that republicans lost face and lost public support and they were playing with fire. am i misreading this? >> no, because i think part of it, again, we're talking about the markets. it strikes fear in the markets. they say, president obama you better do something because the stock markets and the bond markets are reacting ne
this was the damage that john boehner hung over the white house last year. the white house said we're going to put this all in one and boehner said you have to pay me a special price. it would be insane not to come to a resolution on this issue once and for all. >> it's really the only card that he hold. obama has the advantage of letting--going over the cliff and letting it all expire so he starts to get the revenue that he wants. what does boehner have to negotiate? j. >> cenk:...
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the american people do not vote for john boehner. you're dead wrong, and i'm thrashing you. >>> up next, some wishful thinking in john mccain and john kerry. watch how kerry stays out of this. he's not campaigning, and he's careful here. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." now to the "sideshow." at the kennedy center honors last night comedian ray romano paid tribute to david letterman but slipped in a bow to president obama. >> you want to win the world series. do you quit, you're down one game to nothing? no, you keep going. you keep going. do you quit when you're down 1-0 in debates? no. no. you keep going. >> that's true. this year's honorees included dustin hoffman, led zeppelin, and more. and the president spoke to them at a white house reception and pointed out a hiccup in his own speech writing process. >> we've got buddy guy sitting next to dustin hoffman. we've got dave letterman alongside one of the greatest ballerinas of all time. i don't think dave dances. i worked with the speech writ
the american people do not vote for john boehner. you're dead wrong, and i'm thrashing you. >>> up next, some wishful thinking in john mccain and john kerry. watch how kerry stays out of this. he's not campaigning, and he's careful here. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." now to the "sideshow." at the kennedy center honors last night comedian ray romano paid tribute to david letterman but slipped in a bow to...
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the american people do not vote for john boehner. you're dead wrong, and i'm thrashing you. >>> up next, some wishful thinking in john mccain and john kerry. watch how kerry stays out of this. he's not campaigning, and he's careful here. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. ♪ open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. [ male announcer ] yep, there's 8 layers of whole grain fiber in those mini-wheats® biscuits... to help keep you full... ♪ 45 bushels of wheat on the farm. 45 bushels of wheat! ♪ ...all morning long. there's a big breakfast... [ mini ] yeehaw! ...in those fun little biscuits. >>> back to "hardball." now to the "sideshow." at the kennedy center honors last ni
the american people do not vote for john boehner. you're dead wrong, and i'm thrashing you. >>> up next, some wishful thinking in john mccain and john kerry. watch how kerry stays out of this. he's not campaigning, and he's careful here. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better...
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that's in the letter that john boehner wrote to the president. break that down for us. >> that's right. there is no numbers breaking that down. it's a where's the beef question. bumper sticker, we have the numbers but no details. boehner's aides will say that's where the negotiations come in. the devil's in the details. they'll say look, to achieve these revenue increases by closing deductions and loopholes. in the letter boehner sent, he says they may be able to lower some rates based on comments made by erskine bowles. >> i think for folks especially we're left to wonder. some analysis shows it's possible. >> i think for folks especially the middle class, they're trying to figure out the math. those deductions and loopholes, do they actually dig into the middle class? >> that's right. and what the romney campaign tried to do with a similar style proposal. and in fact the democratic group third way said if they got a $35,000 cap and excluded charitable deductions, they might be able to reach that $800 billion target. that is however not lowering
that's in the letter that john boehner wrote to the president. break that down for us. >> that's right. there is no numbers breaking that down. it's a where's the beef question. bumper sticker, we have the numbers but no details. boehner's aides will say that's where the negotiations come in. the devil's in the details. they'll say look, to achieve these revenue increases by closing deductions and loopholes. in the letter boehner sent, he says they may be able to lower some rates based on...
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president obama and john boehner making comments on the issue a short time ago and according to our deal meter, there it is, still only a quarter of the way there. we have got all sides of this story covered. john harwood live at the white house. eamon javers on capitol hill and the president's comments. >> the president gave an interview to our colleagues at bloomberg and said a couple of things. first of all, his priorities now trying to break republicans in their resistance to raising the top rate by some amount, a stance republicans have been consistent on. more revenue, question, not higher rates, he is insisting on that as the price of negotiating with him. and he said the reason for that is if you take all of what can be raised in revenue from deductions that is politically realistic, not trying to take away the mortgage deduction in the face of tremendous resistance from consumers and the housing industry, you can only raise about 300 to $400 billion, but i think that is a promising indication from the president because then if you take, brian, $400 billion in deductions eliminat
president obama and john boehner making comments on the issue a short time ago and according to our deal meter, there it is, still only a quarter of the way there. we have got all sides of this story covered. john harwood live at the white house. eamon javers on capitol hill and the president's comments. >> the president gave an interview to our colleagues at bloomberg and said a couple of things. first of all, his priorities now trying to break republicans in their resistance to raising...
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>> john boehner's counteroffer was pathetic. even the tea party members are saying that it was pathetic. this republican party in the house pet better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from. >> the president is going to have to do something big to get this done. there's been four years course of he doesn't get along with the party, he doesn't make the kind of effort that you're talking about. i don't think there's going to be any doubt that they have to find some interhuman connection moment na says we are doing this. >> let's get started. joining me is bob casey who is moderating the hearing on the fiscal cliff next week. sir, i start with the comparison of the two plans so everyone can see this. the gop plan through closing loopholes and no deductions and rate hikes, as we pointed out as exposed under the democratic plan. the republican plan includes more entitlements through republican reform and then eligibility age being raised than the gop plan including changes of social security not addressed
>> john boehner's counteroffer was pathetic. even the tea party members are saying that it was pathetic. this republican party in the house pet better show courage or it's going to be voted out of power two years from. >> the president is going to have to do something big to get this done. there's been four years course of he doesn't get along with the party, he doesn't make the kind of effort that you're talking about. i don't think there's going to be any doubt that they have to...
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will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question. don't play games right now. will you -- do you think that they should actually vote -- >> i'll answer -- >> -- do you -- >> i will answer your question. we just had to take off the question the nonsense attack that i expect from harry reid. i will call mr. boehner tomorrow shortly after i call harry reid and ask him to make sure that the senate rules will allow open debate and open amendment and that he won't play games as he's been doing for the last four years, and when harry agrees to that, i will call boehner and ask him to alter house rules. >> okay. >> i'l
will you call john boehner tomorrow morning and say mr. speaker, i think you should release that bill and allow republicans to show whether they are pledged to me or pledged to the united states. >> first of all, let's be serious. you know better than that. the pledge that congressmen and senators, governors, state legislators, take is to the american people. i know harry reid plays games and says me but you shouldn't do that. you're better than that. >> grover, answer my question....
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given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in additional revenue to the government, you could pay down all of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes. so there's a lot of money to be gotten from growth. how they do this, we have to see it written down, but because the obama administration and spokesmen have been so emphatic about all taxes and no spending restraint, all taxes and actually spend -- another stimulus, another solyndra stimulus program -- >> i don't think they've mentioned solyndra, grover, but i'm sure they appreciate your mentioning of it. >> they didn't? the whole idea of add
given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in...
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. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his caucus? >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been short on specifics. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> the same exact policies. >> this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks. >> you can't be serious. >> chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. >> get serious. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> be prepared for the plunge. >> i would say we're nowhere. nowhere. >> there's clearly a chance. >>> today, john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan finally kind of sort of responded to the president's budget proposal, a proposal of their own that they were so unmarried to that they didn't put their names on it. they said the whole thing was erskine
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john boehner, the speaker of the house, sent a message that a deal was in the works. he threw several house members off of key committees when they criticized him openly for looking like he was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a
john boehner, the speaker of the house, sent a message that a deal was in the works. he threw several house members off of key committees when they criticized him openly for looking like he was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in...
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here is the offer that john boehner put forward--butkis. nothing. he said, i'm interested in raising revenue or we're willing to do that. so how much, you want to cut medicare? you want to cut social security? john, admit it, you want to cut social security. no, no i want the president to say that. why would he say that? that's not his position. that's your position. you have not made no offer, no offer. i don't want you to get confused because the rest of tv will say he said-she said. no the republicans have made no offer, none. they're full of it. now the white house is fighting back. this is the thing that is flabbergasting. the white house communication director said, the president is not going to negotiate with himself. he has laid out his position, and the republicans have to come to the table. my reaction to that was-- >> flabbergasted. >> cenk: what? the white house not negotiating with itself? that's fantastic. do you remember what president obama said in 2010 because he had these negotiations with the republicans over the stimulus package.
here is the offer that john boehner put forward--butkis. nothing. he said, i'm interested in raising revenue or we're willing to do that. so how much, you want to cut medicare? you want to cut social security? john, admit it, you want to cut social security. no, no i want the president to say that. why would he say that? that's not his position. that's your position. you have not made no offer, no offer. i don't want you to get confused because the rest of tv will say he said-she said. no the...
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john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you very much. we are going to keep with the fiscal cliff and take a look at who is talking. charles krauthammer weighing in on the negotiations. the approach on the president and democrats didn't about the economy at all but rather about politics. >> i am not serious at all about entitlements. the president himself said that's where the money is. on social security he denied there is any effect on the deficit at all. durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt. that is more than a dime. there are 2.5 trillion in the trust fund in social security that will take care of it for 20 more years, 25 more years. that means pieces of paper in the trust fund where the treasury says we will pay you. it doesn't have the money. it spent surpluss in the past. that's a promise from the treasury which is pank ru ba
john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you very much. we are going to keep with the fiscal cliff and take a look at who is talking. charles krauthammer weighing in on the negotiations. the approach on the president and democrats didn't about the economy at all but rather about politics. >> i am not serious at...
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that's the one thing that john boehner said he will not do is raise rates. >> everybody is guessing. i have no more expertise than anyone else. they're guessing we'll go over the cliff. taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of congress' plate. something which members of congress seem to think at least is a no starter. what is the value in putting that out there? >> well again it needs to be said. this is crazy. the way that the debt ceiling works is that congress can actually vote to not tax enough to pay for the spending it proposes and then it can refuse to allow the government to borrow the money to make up the difference between its own spendin
that's the one thing that john boehner said he will not do is raise rates. >> everybody is guessing. i have no more expertise than anyone else. they're guessing we'll go over the cliff. taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up....
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and john boehner is under a tremendous amount of pressure to look tough. they want to beat their chests and say we're standing up to barack obama before they have to cave. so that's why i think a lot of the negotiations are happening publicly. in the end it's going to be a private meeting and things are going to get done. >> john, do you agree? >> i do. i think both sides should probably be embarrassed at this point. we are not in the get it done stage. we're in the public relations campaign phase. both of the them have put forward less specificity than you would see in a $50,000 mortgage application yet we're talking about $2 billion. so i think both of them are trying to secure their position with the public and then we will see this get done as we get closer. >> so, john, let me ask you this, so will the republicans at any point say, well, we kind of have to raise taxes on the wealthiest americans to get a deal done? do you think that will happen eventually? >> well, let's not forget, in their plan they are raising the tax on the wealthy but they're doi
and john boehner is under a tremendous amount of pressure to look tough. they want to beat their chests and say we're standing up to barack obama before they have to cave. so that's why i think a lot of the negotiations are happening publicly. in the end it's going to be a private meeting and things are going to get done. >> john, do you agree? >> i do. i think both sides should probably be embarrassed at this point. we are not in the get it done stage. we're in the public relations...
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i do think it's an interesting window into the particular challenge that john boehner has. another interesting window is also happening where both sides laid out their plans, their initial starting point for the fiscal cliff negotiations. first read called both of the plans sort of playing to the base. the difference is that the democratic base looked at the president's plan and said it looked pretty good. the republican base is very split. for example, senator jim demint said speaker boehner's tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians to spend even more, et cetera, et cetera. keep in mind where boehner started, that's not where they're going to end up. they have to go to the left, so he's going to have a problem on his hands at least from some parts of the party. this woenn't be the end, either. immigration is probably next. that's another tough pill for some republicans to swallow, so this is going to be an ongoing saga. >> you're right that it is a very inside the beltway story, but it is sort of an important story in that we see how boehner has to deal w
i do think it's an interesting window into the particular challenge that john boehner has. another interesting window is also happening where both sides laid out their plans, their initial starting point for the fiscal cliff negotiations. first read called both of the plans sort of playing to the base. the difference is that the democratic base looked at the president's plan and said it looked pretty good. the republican base is very split. for example, senator jim demint said speaker boehner's...
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boehner is asking for. and so what i would ask them to do individually or collectively is stake out whatever positions you want but leave yourself enough wiggle room to be able to come up with a middle ground on that one issue and if you can use that as this first starting point for a compromise, then the rest of the negotiations ton sequestration, on the spending cuts, payroll tax cut, all of those become easier as part of a grand bargain. last thing i would tell them, make sure if by december 31st you can't have a signed deal, you at least have all the elements of the deal in place you can in the right time the coming days and weeks, check each one off before it's too late. >> professor, maybe we should send to you washington, sounds like you might be able to get both sides together. >> well, i will stand by my point and fee it happens. >> thanks, professor. appreciate it. >>> in today's yahoo! finance question, we asked bank of america ceo brian moynihan, says the impaukt of the fiscal cliff could stretc
boehner is asking for. and so what i would ask them to do individually or collectively is stake out whatever positions you want but leave yourself enough wiggle room to be able to come up with a middle ground on that one issue and if you can use that as this first starting point for a compromise, then the rest of the negotiations ton sequestration, on the spending cuts, payroll tax cut, all of those become easier as part of a grand bargain. last thing i would tell them, make sure if by december...
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john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn stock is going to be down? nicole: you are right. we're seeing the stock down nearly 4% here. this is not good news for them overall. basically china's new leadership cracking down on fast money moving. they are going to set rules where you can't -- restrict the limits on how much money can actually be taken out of the country. there are a lot of new rules that would be put in place. all of it is obviously for responsible gambling, but it seems to be a lot deeper than that. stuart: i've been to that casino in macau. i mean totally different from anything you
john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn...
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john boehner's proposal includes $800 billion in revenue but doesn't specific where it comes from. barack obama has been specific in his plan and look both sides have their plans and there's going to be negotiation, will probably end up somewhere in between. i don't understand why we can't raise tax rates on the top 1% of people if we're going to get to a balanced plan. why should the middle class pay more when we have people at the top who can pay more. >> okay. your experience as cbo director and elsewhere. the argument is being made that capping deductions whatever 25,000, 50,000, is that where the itemized deductions are, it's the upper end people who will pay for that, and that produces revenues without damaging the economic incentives, the economic growth effect of tax rate incentives. now i want to ask you, objectively, is it possible that it will affect the upper end income people without affecting the tax rate. >> you can get there. the president's budget has $600 billion raised that way. what's frustrating about this is the republicans could have gone back with a specifie
john boehner's proposal includes $800 billion in revenue but doesn't specific where it comes from. barack obama has been specific in his plan and look both sides have their plans and there's going to be negotiation, will probably end up somewhere in between. i don't understand why we can't raise tax rates on the top 1% of people if we're going to get to a balanced plan. why should the middle class pay more when we have people at the top who can pay more. >> okay. your experience as cbo...
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in a letter sent to the white house today, speaker of the house john boehner rejected the president's approach, writing that republicans cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. his counter-offer, save $2.2 trillion by among other things raising $800 billion in new revenues. the plan would also raise the future eligibility age for medicare and alter medicaid to save another $600 billion. the republican plan would not increase tax rates for the wealthy. the president is campaigning for his plan, taking questions on twitter today, and releasing this new web video. >> under my plan, first of all, 98% of folks who make less than $250,000, you wouldn't see your income taxes go up a single dime. all right? because you're the ones who need relief. >> ifill: treasury secretary timothy geithner met with congressional leaders last week and pressed the administration's case in a series of talk show appearances this weekend. >> rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans. those rates are going to have to go up. >> there's no possib
in a letter sent to the white house today, speaker of the house john boehner rejected the president's approach, writing that republicans cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. his counter-offer, save $2.2 trillion by among other things raising $800 billion in new revenues. the plan would also raise the future eligibility age for medicare and alter medicaid to save another $600 billion. the republican plan would not increase tax rates for the...
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of course, some of them will be meeting with house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid. so the hope is they will put pressure on their lawmakers from their states to get a deal done. but also this is a chance for these governors to talk about the fact that what happens here with this fiscal cliff will have some real consequences, that we're not just talking about sort of these ambiguous numbers but it will impact them and why does it impact them? because according to a pew report, a third of the revenue of states comes from federal grants, and so states -- >> hey, dan, you're not going to believe this. just as you're speaking live, i'm only going to interrupt you for the governors themselves. let's listen in. >> governor beebe of arkansas, we are three democrats and three republicans. we just had what i would say was a very good meeting with the president. we came in part to make sure that the voices and the issues that we face as governors in the states are heard and are considered as part of the discussions going on here in washington. the president was very open
of course, some of them will be meeting with house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid. so the hope is they will put pressure on their lawmakers from their states to get a deal done. but also this is a chance for these governors to talk about the fact that what happens here with this fiscal cliff will have some real consequences, that we're not just talking about sort of these ambiguous numbers but it will impact them and why does it impact them? because according to a...
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he's calling on john boehner to let a senate bill come to the floor. it would raise taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans but extend current tax rates for everyone else. the pressure is mounting on both sides. a new poll out this morning, a pew research polls show most americans would blame republicans in congress if we go over the fiscal cliff. alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:13. right now, president obama is meeting at the white house with a bipartisan group of governors. reportedly, those governors asked for the meeting with the president. they want to urge president obama to work with congress on the solution to the fiscal cliff. in the afternoon, the same group will meet with house speaker john boehner, california governor jerry brown, by the way, is not in this group. >>> 8:14. the owner of drake's bay oyster company is working with a legal team to fight the decision by the federal government to shut down his operation. kevin lenny announced yesterday he does not plan to give up the federal government's order to give up the company. oa
he's calling on john boehner to let a senate bill come to the floor. it would raise taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans but extend current tax rates for everyone else. the pressure is mounting on both sides. a new poll out this morning, a pew research polls show most americans would blame republicans in congress if we go over the fiscal cliff. alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:13. right now, president obama is meeting at the white house with a bipartisan group of governors....
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speaker for a little cash, say dollars 42 billion worth, the story how a new york governor tried to -- john boehner, i am neil cavuto, we may be on the brink but that does not mean cuomo still does not give washington to give up some bank. 42 needed millions dollars for hurricane sandy relief. similar requests likely coming from governors in new jersey and connecttcut. who all together want this all too dumbing figure in post hurricane help, a hundred billion bucks, i don't know if they get all of it, but i think they get most, here is why americans, have big hearts, folks need help. they need a lot, many still without power, and without homes and without patience or hope, something needs to be done. judging from the back slapping help politicians, the government is still the one to do it but is it? think about it. if the road to virtue were paved with billion dollar bills then everyone in washington would be the pope, news flash, they are not, they are not good as getting bang for their buck. think of all those gas taxes that were to pay for those bridges, or tolls of no bridges to pay for
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boehner and barack obama with the press. as we look at the market the market is holding up relatively well after a 4% rally and if you think of that we are still on the year and the market continues to go higher so i don't see any reason to believe there's not a deal in place. liz: is the fear of missing the rally now almost equal to the fear of getting crushed by the risk? >> i tell you what. anybody that has fear about missing the rally is a little misguided because all it takes is money to buy stocks and i would rather be late than right and early and wrong. >> i could not agree more. by high and sell high. you are not going to be the guy who buys it. liz: i caught the ball, you know. thank you so much for joining us on the floor show. a whole host of state leaders were at the white house talking to the president stressing the importance of getting a debt deal done before the end of the year. if the u.s. goes off of the fiscal cliff, their budgets, each of the state you live in would run amok especially the comes to fundi
boehner and barack obama with the press. as we look at the market the market is holding up relatively well after a 4% rally and if you think of that we are still on the year and the market continues to go higher so i don't see any reason to believe there's not a deal in place. liz: is the fear of missing the rally now almost equal to the fear of getting crushed by the risk? >> i tell you what. anybody that has fear about missing the rally is a little misguided because all it takes is...
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boehner is the lack of specificity. tony and i argued this a lot. he makes a great point. do we have to argue about rates versus base? is we can talk about base. and at this point republicans have done the same thing mitt romney was doing. $800 billion in new revenues from unspecified chose urs. the time for that is past. i'm glad they're coming with a counteroffer. they have to put specifics on the table. >> tony, under any circumstances, as you sit here right now, are republicans going to agree to let tax rates increa increase? >> look, i find that almost impossible for republicans to do, at least before december 31. i think everyone understands that it is the single thing that the president wants more than anything else. you can sack rifice just about anything to get the top two rates. so i don't see republicans getting on that issue. i think what you are seeing, and i do give credit to speaker boehner for rising above, bring in the proposal yesterday and getting the full republican leadership onboard, talking about
boehner is the lack of specificity. tony and i argued this a lot. he makes a great point. do we have to argue about rates versus base? is we can talk about base. and at this point republicans have done the same thing mitt romney was doing. $800 billion in new revenues from unspecified chose urs. the time for that is past. i'm glad they're coming with a counteroffer. they have to put specifics on the table. >> tony, under any circumstances, as you sit here right now, are republicans going...
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now, late this afternoon house speaker john boehner sent a letter to the president detailing a bold counter offer to the administration's plan. the g.o.p. proposal does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to compromise but not on the subject of making job creators pay more in taxes. however, what our tax and spend commander-in-chief fails to understand is that putting money into the hands of you, the american people, is the single best way to spur economic growth, and it's not just people like ronald reagan who understand this principle. bill clinton famously said the era of big government is over and the end of wel welfare as we know it. why? because government is not the answer. government is the problem. there was that other iconic democrat, the one that occupied the oval office in 1962. he spoke of the benef
now, late this afternoon house speaker john boehner sent a letter to the president detailing a bold counter offer to the administration's plan. the g.o.p. proposal does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to...
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the house speaker john boehner calls it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. guess what? the white house released a statement tonight saying the plan is nothing new, that it lowers rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. so to borrow a phrase, we're nowhere. period. david walker is president and ceo of comeback america initiative. he's made it his mission to promote fiscal responsibility. he joins us along with cnn political analyst, david gergen. david walker, let me start with you. the house republicans put forward their counter proposal. speaker boehner says it's credible and the white house should consider it. is it credible or is it more of what you have called the irresponsible unethical immoral behavior of all the politicians here in washington? >> i think both sides are now putting things on the table but i think they're confused. what we have to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year,
the house speaker john boehner calls it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. guess what? the white house released a statement tonight saying the plan is nothing new, that it lowers rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill. so to borrow a phrase, we're nowhere. period. david walker is president and ceo of comeback america initiative. he's made it his mission to promote fiscal responsibility. he joins us along with cnn political analyst,...
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i saw john boehner in a pathetic effort to scramble out of it saying it was a status quo election. let me tell you f republicans won the presidency and gained seats in the senate and the house, they wouldn't be calling it a status quo election. they would be calling it a mandate. i'm particularly amused in kind of a frustrated way when they say, well, obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes and started two wars with a minus half a million margin in the polls. barack obama has 3.5 million plus. so if 3 3.5 million plus isn't enough of a mandate to do something about taxes, what the hell was a half million loss? >> we're going to miss you congressman frank, barney frank ending an incredible career in massachusetts. we'll have you back again, if we can. >> i'll be around, chris. >> i want to ask you what you'll miss, positively and negative will from the congress. thanks for coming on tonight, congressman. >> you're welcome. >>> when we return, let me finish with whether the politicians who run the government will be able to do what's right, do what's necess
i saw john boehner in a pathetic effort to scramble out of it saying it was a status quo election. let me tell you f republicans won the presidency and gained seats in the senate and the house, they wouldn't be calling it a status quo election. they would be calling it a mandate. i'm particularly amused in kind of a frustrated way when they say, well, obama doesn't have a mandate to raise taxes. george bush cut taxes and started two wars with a minus half a million margin in the polls. barack...
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conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any thought boehner didn't believe he had more control over his conference this time than he did two years ago should be set aside. cantor and mccarthy having his back. he only has to worry if somebody is high profile were somehow to challenge his standing with house republicans. that's not the case. they were in concert on this. does it mean -- send a signal to the white house that this time what boehner says and negotiates goes though it may not be a majority of the majority but boehner is comfortable in the position that he's established. that said, how much is boehner helped by his proposal? his
conservative blogger eric erickson on his blog writing on the same day john boehner, eric cantor and kevin mccarthy punished those for standing up for their convictions sold out their own convictions. erickson wasn't the only 0 group. calling it an $800 billion tax hike. the most conservative media outlets have been in boehner's camp, conservative organizations have a lot of sway with some members. bane earp does not want a full fledged rebellion. a few things to keep in mind. number one, any...
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. >> john boehner, speaker of the house, he came up with a proposal. but not all the conservatives in the house and the senate are on board. jim demint, republican senator from south carolina. >> this is a time to negotiate with ourselves. we need to invite the president to work with us. his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work with. the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> how much of a problem does boehner have with other republicans potentially? >> it's a big problem. it's always been his problem. it's been a problem for the republican party since they started taking that no tax pledge 30 years ago. what is revenue increase? is closing deductions and loopholes a revenue increase? and if so, do you have to oppose that? i think what we see going on in the republican party right now is a fight between the stalwart, no new tax whatever conservatives and those who believe that they have
. >> john boehner, speaker of the house, he came up with a proposal. but not all the conservatives in the house and the senate are on board. jim demint, republican senator from south carolina. >> this is a time to negotiate with ourselves. we need to invite the president to work with us. his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work with. the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and...